ANV F.A.Q.

ANV F.A.Q. version 1.0


Q – Is John Smith an ANV of John Smith (3) – i.e. do we add in an ANV just so that the release page displays without the suffixed number applied to differentiate artists with the same names in Discogs?

A – No. A site wide update MAY be done for this, but at a later date once everything else has settled down. In the meantime, please do not allow the ANV function to be used for this.


Q – If John Smith and John Smith (2) both use the ANV John Smith Jr., must a suffix be applied to one of the ANVs to show John Smith Jr. (2)?

A – No, this is not necessary as the 2 instances of John Smith Jr. create 2 different URLs based on the main Discogs artist entries. Searches and artist indexes will be adapted to show the main artist that an ANV is connected to.


Q – Does ANV replace Aliases?

A – No, aliases remain as a way of identifying different names used by an artist. ANV is to be used for variations upon the same name.


Q – Should an ANV be used for a one-off alias that is not a variation upon an existing artist name?

A – No, an Alias is appropriate here.


Q – Are ANV’s to be used for misspellings, punctuation, typos etc?

A – ANV’s can be entered to reflect what is on the release. Variations in punctuation, spelling etc are allowed, providing they exist on the release. Variations in accents are allowed. However, using Cyrillic and other such Unicode fonts to reflect graphic design decisions such as reverse letters should not be done.


Q – What else needs to be done when ANV is being used?

A – As with all submissions, users should provide full moderator notes justifying why they have added the information in a certain way. Moderators will seek confirmation of the validity of an ANV via Moderator Comments, so please provide this information up front to ensure your submissions are processed as quickly as possible.

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39 Comments
  • md
    Nov 27,2006 at 1:43 pm

    Essentially it was an issue of the subtleties of ANV.

    For example

    [b]Kenneth “Supa Engineer Duro” I Fill[/b] was set as an ANV of [b]DURO[/b] rather than [b]Ken “Duro” Ifill[/b].

    [b]K. Ifill[/b] was set as an ANV of [b]DURO[/b] rather than [b]Ken “Duro” Ifill[/b].

    And would you believe it, [b]Ken “Duro” Ifill[/b] was set as an ANV of [b]DURO[/b] rather than [b]Ken “Duro” Ifill[/b]!!!

  • Nov 27,2006 at 12:21 pm

    Can someone outline what was wrong at the link cited by Iron_Fist, above?

  • md
    Nov 24,2006 at 6:13 am

    Yike, submitted by a mod too. Anyway I did some clearing up and moved most of them to the alias.

  • Nov 23,2006 at 8:03 pm

    Some people still [url=http://www.discogs.com/artist/DURO]don’t understand the use of ANV[/url] *sighs*

  • Oct 31,2006 at 10:42 am

    [quote=doctor_trance]Geesh, there was never this much trouble when we just had AKA’s and aliases!!![/quote]

    Yes,but these things will be clarified sooner or later :)
    I think both you and md has a point in the above thread.
    But please don’t be hostile to each other.

  • Oct 31,2006 at 8:56 am

    Big confusion as to ANV vs. alias, as some think that aliases close to an artist’s main name should be an ANV, even when different/separate work is released from main name. I disagree:

    [url=http://www.discogs.com/forums/topic?topic_id=115439]READ MORE HERE[/url]

    As my interpertation of this sentence in the guidelines (ANVs should not be used if the artist uses the name to differentiate their work, in this case an alias is more appropriate.) also conflicts with the above theory, as there is not second part of that sentence that reads “except if it’s close to the artist’s primary name”! , and I thought aliases should stay aliases, regardless of how close to a name they are. Geesh, there was never this much trouble when we just had AKA’s and aliases!!!

  • Oct 31,2006 at 4:28 am

    [quote=corne_mo]Than some artists will never get into the DB. Especially those who only have writing credits.[/quote]
    ‘Written-By’ is a special case. As I understand it this was a credit to allow a link to an [u]existing[/u] artist page, when the artist is known.

    I would not use it how you suggest to create a fake artist name. If there is no real name artist page, I would just use the ‘Written By’ credit. If you really feel you must create an artist, then it should be [a=J. Doe]. There is a ‘Real Name’ field for the real name John Doe.

    Also, see here for [a=Bacharach and David] ‘Written-By’ ANV madness.

  • Oct 31,2006 at 3:52 am

    [quote=helix]I don’t like this idea. Artist pages should only be created if they appear on a release. That way the artist name and ANVs evolve as the data is added to the database, not from what someone thinks is ‘correct’.[/quote]
    Than some artists will never get into the DB. Especially those who only have writing credits.
    Example:
    John Doe is always credited as J. Doe and only does writing for numorous artists.
    We give J. Doe the unlinked Written By credit. Only when his full name is known we can use the linked Written-By version. With your idea, we will never be able to use Written-By – John Doe, cause he is never credited that way on a release. Result, no artist page for John Doe ANV J. Doe even when he has written 100 releases.

  • Oct 31,2006 at 2:54 am

    [quote=elexxii]elexxii wrote: quote selection

    assaiki
    For example:
    http://www.discogs.com/subs/view/2303893

    The problem with your updates of Naksi vs. Brunner to an ANV of Náksi vs. Brunner is
    1) the amount of updates and
    2) the fact that the existing artist page has a profile and artist images.

    And more importantly there are also group memberships and an alias, all of which must be considered and would have to be set manually before the last reference to an existing linked artist name is “removed”.[/quote]

    To rename these artists is not a solution,so I will set the same images and profile to the new artist page when created.
    See my other comments on the above submission of mine.

  • Oct 31,2006 at 2:18 am

    [quote=MR_E]
    Can’t find the answer to this one anywhere: does the main artist have to be created first, before any ANVs, or can they be created simultaneously?[/quote]

    [quote=elexxii]Simple answer: yes, they can.

    If you know for certain that the spelling on the item you are adding/updating is wrong, you can put the correctly spelled artist name into the standard linked name field, and put the misspelling into the ANV field.[/quote]

    That would mean creating a false artist page that has no discography in the real world. It may never have a real release under the ‘correct’ name. Taking it to it’s logical conclusion, this could also be used to create artist pages for the real names of artists that were never used on any release:-

    [a=Louie Vega] -> [a=Luis Fernando Vager] ANV Louie Vega etc.

    I don’t like this idea. Artist pages should only be created if they appear on a release. That way the artist name and ANVs evolve as the data is added to the database, not from what someone thinks is ‘correct’.

  • Oct 31,2006 at 2:15 am

    [quote=elexxii]2) the fact that the existing artist page has a profile and artist images. [/quote]
    And more importantly there are also group memberships and an alias, all of which must be considered and would have to be set manually [b]before[/b] the last reference to an existing linked artist name is “removed”.

  • Oct 31,2006 at 2:10 am

    [quote=assaiki]For example:
    http://www.discogs.com/subs/view/2303893 [/quote]
    The problem with your updates of [a=Naksi vs. Brunner] to an ANV of [a=Náksi vs. Brunner] is
    1) the amount of updates and
    2) the fact that the existing artist page has a profile and artist images.

    These would have to be transferred manually to [a=Náksi vs. Brunner] because that doesn’t happen automatically.
    Therefore in this case a Rename Artist would be more sensible, and after that the occurrances of the unaccented spelling can be set as ANVs.

  • Oct 31,2006 at 1:24 am

    [quote=nik]
    Never_Again
    The submission in question is http://www.discogs.com/subs/view/2215383

    I replied in that submission, I think original language names should be used in these cases. [/quote]

    Please update the FAQ,because lot of mods don’t know about that thing.
    For example:
    http://www.discogs.com/subs/view/2303893

  • Oct 30,2006 at 7:03 am

    [quote=MR_E]can they be created simultaneously? [/quote]
    Simple answer: yes, they can.

    If you know for certain that the spelling on the item you are adding/updating is wrong, you can put the correctly spelled artist name into the standard linked name field, and put the misspelling into the ANV field.

  • Oct 30,2006 at 6:57 am

    Can’t find the answer to this one anywhere: does the main artist have to be created first, before any ANVs, or can they be created simultaneously?

  • nik
    Oct 30,2006 at 4:26 am

    [quote=Never_Again]The submission in question is http://www.discogs.com/subs/view/2215383 [/quote]

    I replied in that submission, I think original language names should be used in these cases.

    [quote=oofred]Is it possible to use “DJ Goon & DJ Koyote” ? (artists (and ANV, etc) cannot appear on the Various page so there will be no confusions)[/quote]

    I am not 100% clear on the question, but are you proposing to make “DJ Goon & DJ Koyote” an ANV of “Various”? If that is the case, I don’t think that is the correct way to do that.

  • Oct 28,2006 at 2:45 am

    And what about compilations, DJ Mixs, … ?
    For example: http://www.discogs.com/release/559159
    Is it possible to use “DJ Goon & DJ Koyote” ? (artists (and ANV, etc) cannot appear on the Various page so there will be no confusions)

  • Oct 28,2006 at 1:49 am

    yeah, it works

  • Oct 26,2006 at 8:05 pm

    Great !!! You can now see ANVs in search results. [url=http://www.discogs.com/search?type=all&q=beach+boys&btn=Search]Example[/url]

  • Oct 26,2006 at 2:14 pm

    You don’t need the (x) because the it’s already linked to the right artist. It’s important to geht the right name into the left box, the other box will just link to the main artist no matter what’s in the other one.

  • Oct 26,2006 at 1:34 pm

    Question: if an ANV is currently followed by an (x), is it okay to remove it?

    http://www.discogs.com/subs/view/2288506

    vs.

    [quote=nik]Right, ANV should NEVR have (2) or whatever after the name, that is totally unnecessary.[/quote]

  • nik
    Oct 26,2006 at 5:49 am

    [quote=dj_purity_control]Quick question brought up by this sub; will we use ANV to display artists’ projects with their numbers in the artist field? IE, on this release, track 2-11 is a track by Mark Ryder Project, and it’s taken from the 4th EP which is listed as “Mark Ryder Project 4” on the label. So should Mark Ryder Project 4 be set as an ANV of Mark Ryder Project?

    And that applies down the field to any release that follows this format, ie, can Kenlou – III: What A Sensation be credited instead to Kenlou III (or alternately KenLou 3 if it’s the repress)? So on and so forth.[/quote]

    The first example is strange, but if it’s listed link that that yes its an ANV…

    The second example seems to me to be part of the release name, not the artist name, so the way it has been done looks correct to me.

    [quote]Tubby Smith’ ‘Tubby’ ‘John Smith’ [/quote]

    Maybe Tubby Smith should be the main artist, John Smith real name + ANV, and Tubby as ANV as well?

    [quote=Iron_Fist]should Ivy Rorschach be an ANV of Poison Ivy[/quote]

    I think it’s ok as an alias, but I don’t know the artist well enough to make the call.

    [quote=Iron_Fist]nik in relation with my question asked before (Mathematics), is it in your plan to add a Rename ANV function ? Or do I have to update all Mathematics (2) releases ? That will make many album updates, this is the problem.

    Also, is it in your plans to make some kind of Switch ANV function ? For example, if there is an artist named Timothy and his ANV is Timothy Colbert, but it should actually be the opposite. This function would be very useful in this kind of case.[/quote]

    Yes both those functions have been discussed. I am not sure of the timescale at this point, it will be at least a month if not more I think.

  • Oct 25,2006 at 7:57 pm

    [quote=Iron_Fist]IMO Tubby Smith shouldn’t even be the ANV of John Smith. It should be an alias and Tubby should be it’s ANV. That’s what I think.
    [/quote]

    Exactly what I think, as Tubby is nothing close to John, even though last names are the same. I also feel these types of names should be aliases, because they are deliberately choosing to call themselves this (which, IMO, is an alias), and it’s not just a different or variant way of using or listing their primary name. However, others here disagree.

    [quote=Iron_Fist] if there is an artist named Timothy and his ANV is Timothy Colbert, but it should actually be the opposite[/quote]

    From what I have seen, it seems precedence is given to the name with the most releases in discogs, regardless of what name the artist goes by now, or what should really be their primary name. I think this happened during the auto conversion. Although there are some exceptions, like Kyau vs. Albert, who have gone by that name for years and just decided to rename themselves Kyau & Albert with their latest album, but this new name is now the primary, even though the other name has heaploads of releases and entries.

  • Oct 25,2006 at 2:56 pm

    [u=nik] in relation with my question asked before (Mathematics), is it in your plan to add a [b]Rename ANV[/b] function ? Or do I have to update [url=http://www.discogs.com/artist/Allah+Mathematics?anv=Mathematics+(2)]all Mathematics (2) releases[/url] ? That will make many album updates, this is the problem.

    Also, is it in your plans to make some kind of [b]Switch ANV[/b] function ? For example, if there is an artist named Timothy and his ANV is Timothy Colbert, but it should actually be the opposite. This function would be very usefull in this kind of case.

  • Oct 25,2006 at 2:37 pm

    Should [a=Ivy Rorschach] be an ANV of [a=Poison Ivy] ?? [url=http://www.discogs.com/subs/view/2282476]Here’s what I think[/url].

  • Oct 25,2006 at 1:55 pm

    i just had a glance at the editor’s Q – oh, boy!
    it might be a good idea to link the FAQ to the “merge artist” / “rename artist” window.
    something like:
    [b] [url=http://www.discogs.com/forums/topic?topic_id=114768#1505192]ATTENTION ! READ THIS BEFORE SUBMITTING !!![/url][/b]
    this will hopefully reduce the invalid requests ’til people get used to the feature.

  • Oct 25,2006 at 11:44 am

    [quote=doctor_trance]Also, shouldn’t this person’s two aliases really be ANV’s? Danny Bonnici[/quote]
    Yes. One’s a variation he other is an abbreviation.

    [quote=doctor_trance]If ‘John Smith’ has an ANV of ‘Tubby Smith’, when he’s credited only as ‘Tubby’ on a release, should it be an ANV of ‘John Smith’, because ‘Tubby Smith’ already is, or should it be an alias?[/quote]
    I don’t think so. If John Smith is the main entry, there is no link between Tubby and John Smith, even if Tubby Smith is the ANV. IMO Tubby Smith shouldn’t even be the ANV of John Smith. It should be an alias and Tubby should be it’s ANV. That’s what I think.

  • Oct 25,2006 at 7:58 am

    Also, shouldn’t this person’s two aliases really be ANV’s? [a=Danny Bonnici]

  • Oct 25,2006 at 7:23 am

    If ‘John Smith’ has an ANV of ‘Tubby Smith’, when he’s credited only as ‘Tubby’ on a release, should it be an ANV of ‘John Smith’, because ‘Tubby Smith’ already is, or should it be an alias?

  • nik
    Oct 25,2006 at 5:12 am

    [quote=Iron_Fist]Any ideas how long this will take nik ? Are you currently working on this ? Don’t bother my impatience, I know you and teo are quite busy. [/quote]

    We don’t have a time scale on this at the moment, we are just seeing how things go with the current ANV function for a while.

    [quote=Iron_Fist]Allah Mathematics was an AKA of Mathematics (2), before ANV. Two days ago I updated two releases in my collection which appeared on the Allah Mathematics page. He was actually credited as Mathematics, so that’s why I updated them, to ANV. So my question is, is it ok if I used Mathematics instead of Mathematics (2) ?[/quote]

    Right, ANV should NEVR have (2) or whatever after the name, that is totally unnecessary.

  • nik
    Oct 25,2006 at 5:08 am

    Adding another one here:

    Q – Should “The” come first on ANV?

    A – No, any artist name preceded with ‘The’ should be switched round the same as we do for main artist names, “Artist, The”.

  • Oct 25,2006 at 2:01 am

    [quote=nik]Q – Are ANV’s to be used for misspellings, punctuation, typos etc?

    A – ANV’s can be entered to reflect what is on the release. Variations in punctuation, spelling etc are allowed, providing they exist on the release.[/quote]
    Ok, so ANV’s CAN be used to enter typos, but does one HAVE to enter typos as they are printed or is it allowed to fix a painfully obvious error?

    I’m talking about for example this release: [r=801868], in which the vocalist’s name is without a doubt misspelled. I haven’t got my hands on a copy of this particular, not-so-easy-to-find German issue of the album, so I can’t really verify if the typo is there (and fix with ANV) or not (just update the name). It just busts my balls to watch a familiar artist being mislinked.

    So, please clarify whether ANV means that even obvious typos are required to be reproduced as they are on a certain pressing, or is it just an option for submitters.

  • Oct 24,2006 at 9:14 pm

    [quote=nik]I don’t see the ANV list growing so much it gets out of control, and even if it does, we will find ways to deal with it.[/quote]

    I hope so…

  • Oct 24,2006 at 4:25 pm

    [quote=nik]A – Currently, no. This is a planned feature that will be moderated in the same way as merges and renames. At present ANVs can only be set via the Add Release / Update submission form[/quote]
    Any ideas how long this will take [u=nik] ? Are you currently working on this ? Don’t bother my impatience, I know you and [u=teo] are quite busy.

    [b]Question:[/b]
    [a=Allah Mathematics] was an AKA of Mathematics (2), before ANV. Two days ago I updated two releases in my collection which appeared on the [a=Allah Mathematics] page. He was actually credited as Mathematics, so that’s why I updated them, to ANV. So my question is, is it ok if I used Mathematics instead of Mathematics (2) ? I thought, as ANVs aren’t real artist entries, that it’s not necessary to use the number anymore and I also guessed there would probably be a “Rename ANV” function in the future, so I could have renamed the ANV Mathematics (2) to Mathematics. I was maybe a little too fast and should have asked first, and I’ll update again if it’s not right.

  • Oct 24,2006 at 12:52 pm

    [quote=Zyron]Does ANV replace the Written By role? [/quote]

    Well, often we have no clue (no real n
    [quote=jape]But what about compilations? There are many compilations with MANY typos in artist and track titles. Are we going to put all errors (that previously would be corrected and/or listed in notes) back into the tracklist and make ANV’s of them? I’m pretty sure that after some time there will be loads of artists with an ANV for a typo on one particular compilation. [/quote]

    Also discussed in this mod thread: http://www.discogs.com/forums/topic?topic_id=114519
    But there I’m accused of not being up to date with the rules etc :-S

    If I look at a random [l=Arcade] compilation the credits and names are full of errors. The list of ANV’s of some artists would become huge.

  • nik
    Oct 24,2006 at 12:46 pm

    [quote=Zyron]Does ANV replace the Written By role?

    Explanation
    Before:
    Written By – J. Lennon
    Written-By – John Lennon

    Now:
    Written-By – John Lennon | J. Lennon
    (with J. Lennon in the ANV-field of course)

    What’s the view on this?[/quote]

    Maybe ‘replace’ is a bit strong, but certainly it helps a lot when the submitter is reasonably sure who the artist really is.

    [quote=jape]But what about compilations? There are many compilations with MANY typos in artist and track titles. Are we going to put all errors (that previously would be corrected and/or listed in notes) back into the tracklist and make ANV’s of them? I’m pretty sure that after some time there will be loads of artists with an ANV for a typo on one particular compilation.
    [/quote]

    I think it is fine to use ANV’s in this circumstance, as ANV is only adding info, we still see the ‘proper’ artist. Imagine if you have a compilation with an artist you haven’t come across before, you go to Discogs, type in the name, and up comes your compilation with the name as it is in front of you AND linked to the proper artist.

    I don’t see the ANV list growing so much it gets out of control, and even if it does, we will find ways to deal with it.

  • Oct 24,2006 at 12:31 pm

    [quote=Zyron]Does ANV replace the Written By role?[/quote]
    I would tend to agree with you on this if and only if one is certain that J. Lennon = John Lennon. Are we sure it wouldn’t be Julian Lennon? Probably depends on the release to be sure.

  • Oct 24,2006 at 11:28 am

    [quote=nik]Q – Are ANV’s to be used for misspellings, punctuation, typos etc? [/quote]
    I have a question regarding this. I understand that is useful for releases where the artist name is spelled incorrectly for a reason. Think Micheal Jackson or Tiesto.

    But what about compilations? There are many compilations with MANY typos in artist and track titles. Are we going to put all errors (that previously would be corrected and/or listed in notes) back into the tracklist and make ANV’s of them? I’m pretty sure that after some time there will be loads of artists with an ANV for a typo on one particular compilation.

    For an example, see:
    http://www.discogs.com/subs/view/2279919?highlight=1

    I see the benefit of ANV’s in general, but if we allow this I think we’re shooting past the goal here.

  • Oct 24,2006 at 11:06 am

    Does ANV replace the Written By role?

    Explanation
    Before:
    Written By – J. Lennon
    Written-By – John Lennon

    Now:
    Written-By – John Lennon | J. Lennon
    (with J. Lennon in the ANV-field of course)

    What’s the view on this?

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