Blues and Non-Music added as new genres to Discogs!

[url=http://blues.discogs.com/]Blues[/url] and [url=http://nonmusic.discogs.com/]Non-music[/url] have now been added as genres to Discogs expanding scope.

We still have the pop, classical, and folk genres to add. There may also be another genre needed, this is still to be discussed with the mods, details as soon as we reach a conclusion!

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53 Comments
  • Feb 2,2006 at 4:29 pm

    And if I want to submit release that contatins poems read by someone, what style should I use, “Spoken Word”?

  • Feb 1,2006 at 6:43 pm

    Yes, if they’re only dialouge or sound-effects.

  • Feb 1,2006 at 2:59 pm

    So, now, when we have this non-music genre, should I add this genre to some of soundtrack releases that contain movie excerpts as separate tracks?

  • Jan 27,2006 at 6:18 am

    Nik – All due respect, and I have no problem with a non music genre per se (although I would have thought some sort of connection with music might have been appropriate).

    But the fact that there are 793 non music submissions might be contributing to the electronic and rock queues getting longer, no? Seeing as the moderators are the same?And I would have thought non music subs take much longer to moderate, the artists are all new, the roles are all new (and don’t fit with anything else) subs would be all difficult to check…Don’t think it would be wrong to suggest that those 793 non music subs took the same time to moderate as maybe 2,000 12″ or 7” singles?

    Anyway, thats my $0.02. Too late now I guess. Out.

  • nik
    Jan 27,2006 at 6:03 am

    Non-music is there because it’s audio and people want to have it in their collections. The fact that non-music has 793 releases so far, and blues has 54 releases, speaks volumes about what current Discogs USERS want.

    Of course, in the end, we want it all in here, and that is going to happen very soon. I am fully aware that Pop, Classical, and Folk/World/Country need to get into the database ASAP. There are still issues we need to address with these genres, especially Folk, as that will entail the most crazy number of styles in any genre. It is being worked on.

    Non-music was added because it was clear that most issues regarding it’s usage and things like style lists looked ready to go, and it was simple to add.

    By far the biggest queue is the Electronic genre, because we have changed the way it is moted recently. The queue is still reasonable and will get better with time. A few non-music releases that are here just now is hardly impacting on the amount of time devoted to the electronic queue. The queue’s for all genres are separate, and are moted by different groups of mods.

    Please hang in there, we will get the other genres up and running ASAP!

  • Jan 26,2006 at 9:42 pm

    guzzer wrote:
    Sure, it exists and I understand all the people who wanted to submit interview discs and stuff like that.

    But it seems very strange for a music discography base to go to all the effort of working out submission rules for Non Music before the surely much easier task of working out rules for Country, African, Folk etc (admittedly Classical is going to be a nightmare)
    I thought non music was going to be “music related” at least – but instead we have plays, speeches, childrens stories Fünf Freunde 4 – Als Retter In Der Not (when music deemed as being “for children” is rejected) etc. And by the look of things, a lot of mods are spending a lot of time on it.

    My point exactly. It just seems to me like a waste of time adding releases that have absolutely nothing to do with music when we have queues miles and miles long for other genres; plus all the genres like guzzer mentioned that haven’t been added yet.

    I mean, comedy and music-related interviews I can understand; but things like audio books belong on a book site IMO; and I really can’t see how it’s useful having things like Margaret Thatcher interviews or anonymous answering machine messages to fake dating agencies listed on here.

  • Jan 26,2006 at 8:50 pm

    Yeah Classical is gon be a nightmare!!! But it is necessary to be a good database.

    I understand you’re point of view man… it’s not really related to music… true.

  • Jan 26,2006 at 8:06 pm

    Sure, it exists and I understand all the people who wanted to submit interview discs and stuff like that.

    But it seems very strange for a music discography base to go to all the effort of working out submission rules for Non Music before the surely much easier task of working out rules for Country, African, Folk etc (admittedly Classical is going to be a nightmare)

    I thought non music was going to be “music related” at least – but instead we have plays, speeches, childrens stories [r=607741] (when music deemed as being “for children” is rejected) etc. And by the look of things, a lot of mods are spending a lot of time on it.

    Just a bit weird for my money. I can see it now – if we let in recordings of TV shows, why not VHS or DVD etc…

    Filmogs?
    Bookogs?

  • Jan 26,2006 at 7:25 pm

    The goal of this site Nathan_86 is not having you satisfied, but everybody. Non-music might sound stupid but if it exists it means people in the world buy it and listen to it. These same people may need information about it and that’s why we have this genre, well I think. The site’s primary goal is to be the biggest and the best music (cds and stuff) or related database.

  • Jan 26,2006 at 4:42 pm

    donnacha wrote:
    Because they’re not pointless. Next stupid question?

    Then could you please explain to me how having something like this:

    http://www.discogs.com/release/608091

    in the database is helpful to anybody?

  • Jan 26,2006 at 3:22 pm

    Well Classical and Soundtrack is still missing… Are you working on it?

  • Jan 26,2006 at 8:19 am

    @ [u=donnacha]

    “[i]From the depths of my drafts comes… Foetus of Excellence, The. Yay![/i]”

    Funny I had it also submited, ignoring you did but [url=http://www.discogs.com/changereq?id=1343211]it was refused[/url].

  • Jan 26,2006 at 1:14 am

    Because they’re not pointless. Next stupid question?

  • Jan 25,2006 at 10:58 pm

    It’s probably a bit belated a time to say this; but I personally think it’s not a good idea to include “nonmusic” as a genre at the moment……I mean we’ve already got such long queues in all the other genres, why waste resources by adding & modding pointless nonmusic releases? Just my opinion though.

  • Jan 21,2006 at 9:46 pm

    [i]After all, other non-latin alphabet artists/releases are being translated/anglicised, too.[/i]

    Good God, are we supposed to do that? I hope that doesn’t become policy, I want to see releases how they are actually printed, not with someone’s translations. Maybe as a separate section, in the notes or something, yeah, but not the official entry in DIscogs.

  • Jan 15,2006 at 3:25 pm

    @ [u=legumes] – My point exactly: In German, he’s known as “Tschaikowski” while in English he is referred to as “Tchaikovsky” and in Italian apparently as “Caikovskij”, and in Spanish as “Chaikovski”, and in Dutch as “Tsjaikovski”. Now, surely not every variation in every language (see my point above concerning the Brothers Grimm) is going to be listed as a bloody alias, is it?

    Where would you draw the line? I say we stick with the English version (since this is an English-language site), and that’s the end of it. After all, other non-latin alphabet artists/releases are being translated/anglicised, too.

  • Jan 15,2006 at 5:16 am

    add “sports commentary” as a style and “commentator” as a valid role…

  • Jan 13,2006 at 8:07 pm

    @ [u=legumes]

    Then, at the very least, the author written on the audiobook (or whatever), should be mentioned in the notes, as not everyone is going to know the historical name, or know they’ve got the same ‘release’ if they see something different.

    Maybe I’m stating the obvious, just as long as it gets mentioned in a rules update that includes Non-Music.

  • Jan 13,2006 at 12:42 am

    Lotsa thrashing out needs to be done with Non-Music, I reckon: Since the “performer” rule has already been twisted for this genre (as [u=DJ-Merlin] already pointed out) is one concern of mine but what about language or interpretation issues?
    I mean, [a=Gebrüder Grimm] for instance will effectively have aliases in any other language (Brothers Grimm, the Grimm Brothers, de Gebroeder Grimm etc.) … even the simple variation “Die Brüder Grimm” would be valid, depending on how the publisher choses to name them at the time?

  • Jan 12,2006 at 4:02 pm

    I’d put it under ‘Minimal Ambient’ ;o)

  • Jan 12,2006 at 3:15 pm

    What about blank tapes? Lots of non music on there, how do I credit TDK?

  • Jan 12,2006 at 1:02 pm

    Non-music: I see a lot of releases (like cd’s with fairy-tales) getting in with the original writer credited as the artist. Like here: 6 Sprookjes Deel 1 . But I wouldn’t say they’re really the people “performing”.
    —————————————————————

    That will be the rule – Writer as main artist. Compare yourself and tell waht looks more logical:

    J.R.R. Tolkien – The Lord Of The Rings
    Narrator – Jeff Mills

    Jeff Mills – The Lord Of The Rings
    Written By – J.R.R. Tolkien

    That is the main reason for the Narrator role.
    I think this rule will also apply in Classical, where Beethoven will be the mainartist and not the orchestra who plays his things.

  • Jan 12,2006 at 12:46 pm

    OK, for the hell of it.

    I prefer the definition of music being “organized noise”, although “organized sound” might be more accurate.

    Main Entry: mu·sic

    Pronunciation: ‘myü-zik

    Function: noun

    Usage: often attributive

    Etymology: Middle English musik, from Old French musique, from Latin musica, from Greek mousikE any art presided over by the Muses, especially music, from feminine of mousikos of the Muses, from Mousa Muse

    1 a : the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity

    b : vocal, instrumental, or mechanical sounds having rhythm, melody, or harmony

  • Jan 12,2006 at 12:43 pm

    yeah, that looks kind of wrong, particularly given the rules of discogs

  • Jan 12,2006 at 11:10 am

    Non-music: I see a lot of releases (like cd’s with fairy-tales) getting in with the original writer credited as the artist. Like here: [r=600766] . But I wouldn’t say they’re really the people “performing”.

    What do other people think?

  • Jan 12,2006 at 3:38 am

    well, in the way that if no book ever existed then it can’t be the recording of a book :)
    the story was created only for vinyl

  • Jan 12,2006 at 3:13 am

    In what way? I’d regard a story-book as being a type of audio-book, which is a purely generic term for a recording of a book.

  • Jan 12,2006 at 2:50 am

    audio-book is not the same as story-book though

  • Jan 12,2006 at 2:49 am

    Hmmm, storybook should cover all stories – otherwise I’d expect it to be a speech or a monolog(ue). However, one I thought of earlier is cut-up – I’ve updated Psychic TV Electric Newspapers [like [r=168158]) with Special Effects, but that doesn’t exactly cut it. They are cut-ups, with some music, sounds, bits of speech, and lots of random sounds. Cut-up would cover it nicely.

  • Jan 12,2006 at 2:44 am

    should there be a style in non-music for something that is not an audio-book (which I would assume would have originally been a book) and is also not a radio-play (which I assume is a play, and was originally on the radio), because to me “spoken word” is the only other option left and it isn’t cutting it… maybe something like “story” ???

  • Jan 12,2006 at 2:07 am

    LOL@ t-m

  • Jan 12,2006 at 12:49 am

    @guzzer

    check the history of that release for the answer.

  • Jan 12,2006 at 12:32 am

    With the addition of ‘Non-music’ as a genre could we now move ‘Breakcore’ into that category for accuracy?

    Thanks.

  • Jan 11,2006 at 6:47 pm

    Aha!

  • Jan 11,2006 at 6:19 pm

    guzzer: It’s not so much that’s an accepted role, but that it’s not one of the roles that is non-indexed. You can write pure gibberish in the roles, and it’d add the artist as “Appears On” in their personal page.

  • Jan 11,2006 at 6:03 pm

    How did the person who submitted this release know that “Script By” was an accepted role?

  • Jan 11,2006 at 5:46 pm

    Script By is different from Written By.

    Written By is a credit for the writer of music or lyrics. Script By will be used for Audiobooks and Radioplays and is for the person who converts a novell to a audiobook/radioplay.

    And yes there will be some more standard roles for this genre. Wait some days.

  • Jan 11,2006 at 3:40 pm

    Are there changes to the credits list (particularly for non- music)? Eg, In this release [r=536123] “Script By” appears to be a linked role, but doesn’t appear in the list of standard roles. “Written By” (surely the same thing) is not linked? Huh??? Are there any other new, linked, roles??

  • Jan 11,2006 at 2:12 pm

    Okay, did I do this right then? [r=600766]

  • Jan 11,2006 at 2:03 pm

    I’d assume: Audiobook if narrators are reading, Spoken Word if it’s extemporaneous.

  • Jan 11,2006 at 1:47 pm

    I have some tapes with fairytales etc. What style should I pick for this?

  • Jan 11,2006 at 11:10 am

    Labels would have to come up with t-shirts people can listen to

  • nik
    Jan 11,2006 at 10:02 am

    Well, that discussion was had a few years ago, the conclusion is we have a hard line rule on any merchandise etc that does not contain audio, it doesn’t get in.

    I am sorry about this, but I think it’s for the best, otherwise things may run away with us and we’ll end up with entire labels with nothing but T-Shirts or something similar.

    I am always open to further discussion, but for the moment I have a massive list of important music related things to sort out here at Discogs, and that will always take priority for me.

  • Jan 11,2006 at 9:48 am

    Even when the slipmat has a cat#?

  • nik
    Jan 11,2006 at 9:28 am

    pbl3 – yes this is high on my list, to get the styles + genres clearer… big plans for extended functionality in the works! Watch this space.

    @ everyone – sorry if there is confusion, non-music is for audio only, no t-shirts, coffee mugs etc!

    I don’t think it is in our remit to add these types of things, and I don’t think for the forseable future we will be adding articles such as these here. Sorry!

  • Jan 11,2006 at 9:12 am

    i guess the label works, but from the slipmats thing, you can see there’s already some confusion.

    i would recommend an implementation of a discogs genre-tree (sort of organized like a site map) with breif descriptions for each. then make this easily accessible from the submisison pages. sounds like a bit of work, but probably will save you work from modding poorly labelled releases in the future.. This might also provide a good navigation interface for browsing by genre and jumping between the different genre sub-sites of discogs.

  • Jan 11,2006 at 9:03 am

    check this list, originally posted by nik:

    Here is a list of the current styles for this genre:

    Spoken Word
    Interview
    Audiobook
    Radioplay
    Monolog
    Dialog
    Comedy
    Field Recording
    Special Effects
    Movie Effects
    Therapy
    Education
    Speech
    Sermon
    Political
    Religious
    Promotional
    Technical
    Public Service Announcement

  • Jan 11,2006 at 9:01 am

    [i]What is the Discogs definition of Non-Music please?
    (assuming it’s probably spoken-word/comedy/sound-fx/etc.., although I’ve never heard the label “non-music” before)[/i]

    got a better label? :)

    no it’s not for slipmats, etc – discogs is (currently…always?) for audio media, only now that doesn’t necessarily have to be musical.

  • Jan 11,2006 at 8:58 am

    What is the Discogs definition of Non-Music please?
    (assuming it’s probably spoken-word/comedy/sound-fx/etc.., although I’ve never heard the label “non-music” before)

    And did Discogs ever make some page that defines all the genres and sub-genres (so that people would theoretically submit stuff according to some standard)?

  • Jan 11,2006 at 8:56 am

    Uhh.. slipmats aren’t allowed in?

  • Jan 11,2006 at 8:54 am

    So, non-music doesn’t even need to include audio, eh? Maybe [u=Mistah-Wedding-Deejay] will finaly get his [url=http://www.discogs.com/forums/topic?topic_id=46360]owl[/url] in then :)

  • Jan 11,2006 at 8:42 am

    From the depths of my drafts comes… [r=385564]. Yay!

  • Jan 11,2006 at 8:35 am

    Cool, Non-music added just as I was submitting this slipmat:
    [r=600351]
    Great timing, keep it up :)

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