Blues and Non-Music added as new genres to Discogs!
[url=http://blues.discogs.com/]Blues[/url] and [url=http://nonmusic.discogs.com/]Non-music[/url] have now been added as genres to Discogs expanding scope.
We still have the pop, classical, and folk genres to add. There may also be another genre needed, this is still to be discussed with the mods, details as soon as we reach a conclusion!
And if I want to submit release that contatins poems read by someone, what style should I use, “Spoken Word”?
Yes, if they’re only dialouge or sound-effects.
So, now, when we have this non-music genre, should I add this genre to some of soundtrack releases that contain movie excerpts as separate tracks?
Nik – All due respect, and I have no problem with a non music genre per se (although I would have thought some sort of connection with music might have been appropriate).
But the fact that there are 793 non music submissions might be contributing to the electronic and rock queues getting longer, no? Seeing as the moderators are the same?And I would have thought non music subs take much longer to moderate, the artists are all new, the roles are all new (and don’t fit with anything else) subs would be all difficult to check…Don’t think it would be wrong to suggest that those 793 non music subs took the same time to moderate as maybe 2,000 12″ or 7” singles?
Anyway, thats my $0.02. Too late now I guess. Out.
Non-music is there because it’s audio and people want to have it in their collections. The fact that non-music has 793 releases so far, and blues has 54 releases, speaks volumes about what current Discogs USERS want.
Of course, in the end, we want it all in here, and that is going to happen very soon. I am fully aware that Pop, Classical, and Folk/World/Country need to get into the database ASAP. There are still issues we need to address with these genres, especially Folk, as that will entail the most crazy number of styles in any genre. It is being worked on.
Non-music was added because it was clear that most issues regarding it’s usage and things like style lists looked ready to go, and it was simple to add.
By far the biggest queue is the Electronic genre, because we have changed the way it is moted recently. The queue is still reasonable and will get better with time. A few non-music releases that are here just now is hardly impacting on the amount of time devoted to the electronic queue. The queue’s for all genres are separate, and are moted by different groups of mods.
Please hang in there, we will get the other genres up and running ASAP!
guzzer wrote:
Sure, it exists and I understand all the people who wanted to submit interview discs and stuff like that.
But it seems very strange for a music discography base to go to all the effort of working out submission rules for Non Music before the surely much easier task of working out rules for Country, African, Folk etc (admittedly Classical is going to be a nightmare)
I thought non music was going to be “music related” at least – but instead we have plays, speeches, childrens stories Fünf Freunde 4 – Als Retter In Der Not (when music deemed as being “for children” is rejected) etc. And by the look of things, a lot of mods are spending a lot of time on it.
My point exactly. It just seems to me like a waste of time adding releases that have absolutely nothing to do with music when we have queues miles and miles long for other genres; plus all the genres like guzzer mentioned that haven’t been added yet.
I mean, comedy and music-related interviews I can understand; but things like audio books belong on a book site IMO; and I really can’t see how it’s useful having things like Margaret Thatcher interviews or anonymous answering machine messages to fake dating agencies listed on here.
Yeah Classical is gon be a nightmare!!! But it is necessary to be a good database.
I understand you’re point of view man… it’s not really related to music… true.
Sure, it exists and I understand all the people who wanted to submit interview discs and stuff like that.
But it seems very strange for a music discography base to go to all the effort of working out submission rules for Non Music before the surely much easier task of working out rules for Country, African, Folk etc (admittedly Classical is going to be a nightmare)
I thought non music was going to be “music related” at least – but instead we have plays, speeches, childrens stories [r=607741] (when music deemed as being “for children” is rejected) etc. And by the look of things, a lot of mods are spending a lot of time on it.
Just a bit weird for my money. I can see it now – if we let in recordings of TV shows, why not VHS or DVD etc…
Filmogs?
Bookogs?
The goal of this site Nathan_86 is not having you satisfied, but everybody. Non-music might sound stupid but if it exists it means people in the world buy it and listen to it. These same people may need information about it and that’s why we have this genre, well I think. The site’s primary goal is to be the biggest and the best music (cds and stuff) or related database.
donnacha wrote:
Because they’re not pointless. Next stupid question?
Then could you please explain to me how having something like this:
http://www.discogs.com/release/608091
in the database is helpful to anybody?
Well Classical and Soundtrack is still missing… Are you working on it?
@ [u=donnacha]
“[i]From the depths of my drafts comes… Foetus of Excellence, The. Yay![/i]”
Funny I had it also submited, ignoring you did but [url=http://www.discogs.com/changereq?id=1343211]it was refused[/url].
Because they’re not pointless. Next stupid question?
It’s probably a bit belated a time to say this; but I personally think it’s not a good idea to include “nonmusic” as a genre at the moment……I mean we’ve already got such long queues in all the other genres, why waste resources by adding & modding pointless nonmusic releases? Just my opinion though.
[i]After all, other non-latin alphabet artists/releases are being translated/anglicised, too.[/i]
Good God, are we supposed to do that? I hope that doesn’t become policy, I want to see releases how they are actually printed, not with someone’s translations. Maybe as a separate section, in the notes or something, yeah, but not the official entry in DIscogs.
@ [u=legumes] – My point exactly: In German, he’s known as “Tschaikowski” while in English he is referred to as “Tchaikovsky” and in Italian apparently as “Caikovskij”, and in Spanish as “Chaikovski”, and in Dutch as “Tsjaikovski”. Now, surely not every variation in every language (see my point above concerning the Brothers Grimm) is going to be listed as a bloody alias, is it?
Where would you draw the line? I say we stick with the English version (since this is an English-language site), and that’s the end of it. After all, other non-latin alphabet artists/releases are being translated/anglicised, too.
add “sports commentary” as a style and “commentator” as a valid role…
@ [u=legumes]
Then, at the very least, the author written on the audiobook (or whatever), should be mentioned in the notes, as not everyone is going to know the historical name, or know they’ve got the same ‘release’ if they see something different.
Maybe I’m stating the obvious, just as long as it gets mentioned in a rules update that includes Non-Music.
Lotsa thrashing out needs to be done with Non-Music, I reckon: Since the “performer” rule has already been twisted for this genre (as [u=DJ-Merlin] already pointed out) is one concern of mine but what about language or interpretation issues?
I mean, [a=Gebrüder Grimm] for instance will effectively have aliases in any other language (Brothers Grimm, the Grimm Brothers, de Gebroeder Grimm etc.) … even the simple variation “Die Brüder Grimm” would be valid, depending on how the publisher choses to name them at the time?
I’d put it under ‘Minimal Ambient’ ;o)
What about blank tapes? Lots of non music on there, how do I credit TDK?
Non-music: I see a lot of releases (like cd’s with fairy-tales) getting in with the original writer credited as the artist. Like here: 6 Sprookjes Deel 1 . But I wouldn’t say they’re really the people “performing”.
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That will be the rule – Writer as main artist. Compare yourself and tell waht looks more logical:
J.R.R. Tolkien – The Lord Of The Rings
Narrator – Jeff Mills
Jeff Mills – The Lord Of The Rings
Written By – J.R.R. Tolkien
That is the main reason for the Narrator role.
I think this rule will also apply in Classical, where Beethoven will be the mainartist and not the orchestra who plays his things.
OK, for the hell of it.
I prefer the definition of music being “organized noise”, although “organized sound” might be more accurate.
Main Entry: mu·sic
Pronunciation: ‘myü-zik
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English musik, from Old French musique, from Latin musica, from Greek mousikE any art presided over by the Muses, especially music, from feminine of mousikos of the Muses, from Mousa Muse
1 a : the science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity
b : vocal, instrumental, or mechanical sounds having rhythm, melody, or harmony
yeah, that looks kind of wrong, particularly given the rules of discogs
Non-music: I see a lot of releases (like cd’s with fairy-tales) getting in with the original writer credited as the artist. Like here: [r=600766] . But I wouldn’t say they’re really the people “performing”.
What do other people think?
well, in the way that if no book ever existed then it can’t be the recording of a book :)
the story was created only for vinyl
In what way? I’d regard a story-book as being a type of audio-book, which is a purely generic term for a recording of a book.
audio-book is not the same as story-book though
Hmmm, storybook should cover all stories – otherwise I’d expect it to be a speech or a monolog(ue). However, one I thought of earlier is cut-up – I’ve updated Psychic TV Electric Newspapers [like [r=168158]) with Special Effects, but that doesn’t exactly cut it. They are cut-ups, with some music, sounds, bits of speech, and lots of random sounds. Cut-up would cover it nicely.
should there be a style in non-music for something that is not an audio-book (which I would assume would have originally been a book) and is also not a radio-play (which I assume is a play, and was originally on the radio), because to me “spoken word” is the only other option left and it isn’t cutting it… maybe something like “story” ???
LOL@ t-m
@guzzer
check the history of that release for the answer.
With the addition of ‘Non-music’ as a genre could we now move ‘Breakcore’ into that category for accuracy?
Thanks.
Aha!
guzzer: It’s not so much that’s an accepted role, but that it’s not one of the roles that is non-indexed. You can write pure gibberish in the roles, and it’d add the artist as “Appears On” in their personal page.
How did the person who submitted this release know that “Script By” was an accepted role?
Script By is different from Written By.
Written By is a credit for the writer of music or lyrics. Script By will be used for Audiobooks and Radioplays and is for the person who converts a novell to a audiobook/radioplay.
And yes there will be some more standard roles for this genre. Wait some days.
Are there changes to the credits list (particularly for non- music)? Eg, In this release [r=536123] “Script By” appears to be a linked role, but doesn’t appear in the list of standard roles. “Written By” (surely the same thing) is not linked? Huh??? Are there any other new, linked, roles??
Okay, did I do this right then? [r=600766]
I’d assume: Audiobook if narrators are reading, Spoken Word if it’s extemporaneous.
I have some tapes with fairytales etc. What style should I pick for this?
Labels would have to come up with t-shirts people can listen to
Well, that discussion was had a few years ago, the conclusion is we have a hard line rule on any merchandise etc that does not contain audio, it doesn’t get in.
I am sorry about this, but I think it’s for the best, otherwise things may run away with us and we’ll end up with entire labels with nothing but T-Shirts or something similar.
I am always open to further discussion, but for the moment I have a massive list of important music related things to sort out here at Discogs, and that will always take priority for me.
Even when the slipmat has a cat#?
pbl3 – yes this is high on my list, to get the styles + genres clearer… big plans for extended functionality in the works! Watch this space.
@ everyone – sorry if there is confusion, non-music is for audio only, no t-shirts, coffee mugs etc!
I don’t think it is in our remit to add these types of things, and I don’t think for the forseable future we will be adding articles such as these here. Sorry!
i guess the label works, but from the slipmats thing, you can see there’s already some confusion.
i would recommend an implementation of a discogs genre-tree (sort of organized like a site map) with breif descriptions for each. then make this easily accessible from the submisison pages. sounds like a bit of work, but probably will save you work from modding poorly labelled releases in the future.. This might also provide a good navigation interface for browsing by genre and jumping between the different genre sub-sites of discogs.
check this list, originally posted by nik:
Here is a list of the current styles for this genre:
Spoken Word
Interview
Audiobook
Radioplay
Monolog
Dialog
Comedy
Field Recording
Special Effects
Movie Effects
Therapy
Education
Speech
Sermon
Political
Religious
Promotional
Technical
Public Service Announcement
[i]What is the Discogs definition of Non-Music please?
(assuming it’s probably spoken-word/comedy/sound-fx/etc.., although I’ve never heard the label “non-music” before)[/i]
got a better label? :)
no it’s not for slipmats, etc – discogs is (currently…always?) for audio media, only now that doesn’t necessarily have to be musical.
What is the Discogs definition of Non-Music please?
(assuming it’s probably spoken-word/comedy/sound-fx/etc.., although I’ve never heard the label “non-music” before)
And did Discogs ever make some page that defines all the genres and sub-genres (so that people would theoretically submit stuff according to some standard)?
Uhh.. slipmats aren’t allowed in?
So, non-music doesn’t even need to include audio, eh? Maybe [u=Mistah-Wedding-Deejay] will finaly get his [url=http://www.discogs.com/forums/topic?topic_id=46360]owl[/url] in then :)
From the depths of my drafts comes… [r=385564]. Yay!
Cool, Non-music added just as I was submitting this slipmat:
[r=600351]
Great timing, keep it up :)